The Barclays Premier League Thread 2013/14

[stokeriño]

Shirley hat-trick. All of them in under 17 minutes.

I love this man.

[Liam]

Blah.

[stokeriño]

Fulham have a goal back through Heitinga, 1-3.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY STOKE ARE LEADING!

[Liam]

YAY >_>

[Rafael]

I just came here to say Sissoko is class.

[FLiam]

Think the title has just slipped. :-(

[TCO]

Apparently Pards butted Meyler and got sent off

This pleases me greatly because David Meyler is an absolute cunt.

[Hobo]

Hindsight is 20:20, especially as Anelka claims that he didn't know of the anti-Semitic connotations (I think a similar thing happened to another French footballer... I want to say Sagna for some reason?).

Ignorance is never a defence.

It is actually. One the most highly peddled untruths in law. It annoys me when people say that. :/

Legally it might be, but laws aren't always the most logical concepts. I meant just generally - common sense would suggest it to me.

But how can you do something wrong if you don't know it's wrong? "Common sense" isn't universal truth.

[Kaney]

Pathetic.

[Hobo]

So Alan Pardew headbutted a guy...

[MJB]

In the same season he pushed an assistant. Long touchline ban and big fine coming.

EDIT - Sorry, season before last. But still.

[Liam]

Saw the video - bit hard to tell what happened, but definitely looked like he nutted the guy.

[FLiam]

Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.

[stokeriño]

Superb.

[METALMAN]

Hindsight is 20:20, especially as Anelka claims that he didn't know of the anti-Semitic connotations (I think a similar thing happened to another French footballer... I want to say Sagna for some reason?).

Ignorance is never a defence.

It is actually. One the most highly peddled untruths in law. It annoys me when people say that. :/

Legally it might be, but laws aren't always the most logical concepts. I meant just generally - common sense would suggest it to me.

But how can you do something wrong if you don't know it's wrong? "Common sense" isn't universal truth.

Pretty much. In order to be convicted of a crime you need to satisfy both the actus reus and the mens rea. Actus reus is simple enough. It's proof that you did a bad thing.

Mens rea is more complex and more open to interpretation. It's the state of mind, and to be convicted it generally has to be one of recklessness, carelessness or intention. Ignorance is generally thought of as a negligent state of mind, which isn't quite at the same level as recklessness.

I mean, it doesn't matter in this context anyway because it's pretty obvious Anelka knew what he was doing. But let's say you really love touching your forearm, and you've been doing it for years without realising it harms anyone. Then let's say it is banned. It is the duty of the lawmaker to fairly label the conduct and advertise that it isn't allowed any longer.

It's in that sort of context where ignorance is a perfectly reasonable defence. Applying such a defence is perfectly logical and within the realms of common sense.

[DavidMarrio]

Southampton match has just became even more important. Chance to move up to 2nd if we win. Allen in for Sterling which is a change I quite like, gives an extra man in midfield, Allen played well coming on last week and gives us an option off the bench when they are tired.

[Dan]

Alan Pardew is wonderful.

[Liam]

Newcastle midfielder Moussa Sissoko: "I don't know, I was too far away I didn't see what happened. It's a small thing. The most important thing is we won."

lol

[Dan]

Newcastle manager Alan Pardew: "I tried to push him away with my head and I shouldn't have done that. My team were terrific and it's only myself who had a poor performance."

[therockbox]

I tried to push him away with my head and I shouldn't have done that.