NFL 2009

[Mysterio2000X]

Broyle is, arguably, their best pro QB right now (Thigpen played almost exclusively out of the pistol offense last year, primarily because of his inability to succeed in a pro-style offense I'm guessing).

Edited September 4, 2009 by Mysterio2000X

[NobBe Nobbs]

So, Tampa Bay just fired Jeff Jagodzinski.

Discuss.

[alldaws1]

Chiefs, Bucs and Bills all fire offensive co-ordinators like a week before the regular season starts. It seems somewhat retarded.

[Mysterio2000X]

Copy cat league! Copy cat league! lololol!

KC's run by a retard, Tampa's lacking talent, and the Bill are lacking talent and will have a new coach next year. Probably just using their OC's as scapegoats for their lackluster performances in the pre-season.

[Maxx]

The Bills are lacking talent....where? The Bills problem is that their no huddle offense isn't that impressive without Owens involved and since he's been out most of the preseason they can't accurately judge how effective it is. Without Owens that no huddle offense isn't going to be that effective as no matter the play, they just need to have two guys on Lee Evans. With Owens in the mix, they can't do that and I expect the whole thing will run somewhat more effectively.

[mystikz]

The Bills are lacking talent....where? The Bills problem is that their no huddle offense isn't that impressive without Owens involved and since he's been out most of the preseason they can't accurately judge how effective it is. Without Owens that no huddle offense isn't going to be that effective as no matter the play, they just need to have two guys on Lee Evans. With Owens in the mix, they can't do that and I expect the whole thing will run somewhat more effectively.

lacking talent at qb to start.... Edwards just isn't cut out to be a starter and Fitzpatrick is a career back up.

[Maxx]

We're really going to write Trent Edwards off already? The guy has started 33 games for Buffalo. He's 12-11 in those games, 18-18 TD/INT and he's really only ever had Lee Evans to throw to. Its never been a high powered offense, Owens may change that. Edwards is serviceable and who knows how good he'll do with two talented receivers to throw to.

[Evil Chase K]

The Bills are lacking talent....where? The Bills problem is that their no huddle offense isn't that impressive without Owens involved and since he's been out most of the preseason they can't accurately judge how effective it is. Without Owens that no huddle offense isn't going to be that effective as no matter the play, they just need to have two guys on Lee Evans. With Owens in the mix, they can't do that and I expect the whole thing will run somewhat more effectively.

I know you're referring to the offense, but Buffalo's defensive line is terrible. In the 70s the Steelers had the Steel Curtain. In 2009, the Bills have the Beef Curtain.

Ok, what's everyone's prediction for the final standings in each division?

AFC EAST

1. Patriots (12-4)

2. Dolphins (10-6)

3. Jets (6-10)

4. Bills (5-11)

AFC NORTH

1. Steelers (14-2)

2. Ravens (9-7)

3. Bengals (7-9)

4. Browns (LOL)

AFC SOUTH

1. Titans (13-3)

2. Colts (11-5)

3. Texans (10-6)

4. Jaguars (4-12)

AFC WEST

1. Chargers (10-6)

2. Broncos (8-8)

3. Raiders (6-10)

4. Chiefs (4-12)

NFC EAST

1. Cowboys (11-5)

2. Giants (11-5)

3. Eagles (8-8)

4. Redskins (7-9)

NFC NORTH

1. Packers (13-3)

2. Vikings (11-5)

3. Bears (9-7)

4. Lions (2-14)

NFC SOUTH

1. Panthers (11-5)

2. Falcons (10-6)

3. Saints (8-8)

4. Buccaneers (5-11)

NFC WEST

1. Seahawks (10-6)

2. Cardinals (8-8)

3. 49ers (4-12)

4. Rams (3-13)

[Mysterio2000X]

I'm a fan of Edwards, actually, and I really think he could do some good things if given time on a good, solid team. Unfortunately, the Bills are not a good, or solid team. Their "new" no-huddle isn't working not because of a missing 35 year old, it isn't working because that offensive line is absolutely TERRIBLE. Four of the five players are starting at positions they didn't even play last year (including one rookie guard), and given that the no huddle relies on continuity and rhythm as much as anything else, that's absolutely terrible for them. Their defense hasn't exactly been clicking on all cylinders, either.

But, hey. At least Jauron'll finally be gotten rid of, and the Bills won't have to choose 11th overall for the third straight year at the next draft. No, I say the best they can hope for, at this point, is bottom 8, and even that's pretty optimistic.

Anyways, onto divisions!

AFC EAST

1. Patriots - 14-2

2. Jets - 9-7

3. Dolphins - 6-10

4. Bills 4-12

The only tough games the Pats have, really, come versus Baltimore week 4 and at Indy week 10. For the sake of not having them go undefeated, I say they drop these two games (though it honestly would not surprise me to see them go on an encore of their 2007 season, depending on just how badly Haynesworth dinged Brady up). The Jets, I think, wil surprise some people. That defense, especially once it gets Calvin Pace back, has some serious potential to do some damage, especially with Rex Ryan at it's helm. Yes, they're starting a rookie QB, and they lack a trude, bonafide #1 WR (and their #2 WR is Chansi Stuckey, for fuck's sake!), but Washington is looking like a star, and Greene should fill in nicely behind him as the work horse/short yardage back. I think they have some serious potential to, at worse, replicate some of the Ravens's success last year. The Dolphins simply get a tougher schedule than last year, and they won't be able to catch as many people off guard with their Wildcat. 6-10 to 8-8 is their range, I say. And the Bills'll be terrible. Luckily, they have some even shittier teams on schedule like the Cleveland, Tampa and Kansas City to make them look good.

AFC NORTH

1. Steelers 13-3

2. Ravens 10-6

3. Bengals 8-8

4. Browns 1-15

The Steelers'll be as dominant as last year, no reason they shouldn't be. Joe Flacco and Ray Rice are looking like budding super stars thus far, and that defense of theirs is always spectacular. The Bengals, I think, are really the sleeper pick of the year so long as they can keep Palmer healthy. That defense if their's is WAY too underrated, and I could certainly see them even dipping into double digit win totals, though the division's simply too tough. The Browns are a mess. A big, steaming, stinking mess.

AFC SOUTH

1. Colts (13-3)

2. Titans (9-7)

3. Texans (8-8)

4. Jaguars (5-11)

Yeah, the Colts lost Dungy and what not, but that team lives and breaths and is virtually guaranteed 12+ wins a year so long as Manning's steering the ship. This year should be no different. The loss of Haynesworth is being too understated for the Titans, in my opinion, and I just don't see them making much noise. The Texans defense is still looking as pitiful as ever, and Schaub as fragile as ever, so I don't have them breaking out just yet. And the Jaguars are just blah.

AFC WEST

1. Chargers (12-4)

2. Raiders (8-8)

3. Broncos (4-12)

4. Chiefs (2-14)

This is the Chargers' division to lose, everybody knows that. I think the Raiders are being slept on too much; they have an okay defense, still have one of the best RB trios in the league, and JaMarcus hasn't been as bad this pre-season as everybody else would like to believe. This is essentially his 2nd full year in the pros, and I think the team has a shot to surprise some people. 6-10 to 8-8, I say. The Broncos are just awful, but I give them the nod over the Chiefs in this case by virtue of having just a little bit more talent (and Moreno! ). The Chiefs are laughably bad, which sucks because I really want to see Haley succeed on his own.

NFC EAST

1. Giants (11-5)

2. Cowboys (9-7)

3. Eagles (8-8)

4. Redskins (7-9)

The Giants'll win this more comfortably than I have them here. The Cowboys have too much talent to not go AT LEAST .500, but they'll never do much when it counts as long as they still have Phillips as coach (and as long as Romo remains content to simply be a good quarterback). The Eagles are being overrated as hell, and will really disappoint some people, while I'm thinking the Redskins' D has potential to be great this year. Unfortunately, their offense doesn't (Jason Campbell is simply not a West Coast QB, sry), so I think 7-9's about right.

NFC NORTH

1. Packers (12-4)

2. Bears (10-6)

3. Vikings (9-7)

4. Lions (3-13)

I thought the Packers would take a step back as they got accustomed to their new 3-4 D. Boy, did I underestimate the jedi-ness of Dom Capers. That D's looking good, and the offense is looking Saints/Cardinals 08 good. The Bears season depends on how the defense performs from here. Offensively, they'll be good to great. It'd be better if they had a genuine receiving through outside of their tight end and running back, of course, but whatever. The Vikes go 9-7 and, Favre proves his worthlessness again by ruining another promising team's playoffs hopes/getting his head coach canned/forcing a culture change to occur in Minnesota (assuming the team stays in Minnesota, of course). I really like the Lions, and I really think Stafford will be a megastar sooner rather than later, but that o-line needs to be improved, and they simply don't have enough talent just year. They are definitely, definitely heading in the right direction, though, which is more than what I can say for a lot of these other sub-4 win teams.

NFC SOUTH

1. Saints (11-5)

2. Panthers (8-8)

3. Falcons (7-9)

4. Buccaneers (3-13)

Drew Brees & Co. will light it up, of course. Combined with an improved defense, and this division isn't as up in the air as many people might think. The Panthers'll always have a shot so long as DeAngelo is running behind that line, but Delhomme has simply looked terrible so far.. throw in Ma'ake and Beason being out, and teams may simply be able to run at will on them. The Falcons go 7-9 due to a far tougher schedule, and lack of a defense. And the Buccs are rebuilding.

NFC WEST

1. Seahawks (9-7)

2. Cardinals (9-7)

3. 49ers (7-9)

4. Rams (3-13)

This one'll be closer than most people think. As long as Warner stays healthy and he regain his rhythm with our receivers, I say we're a lock for double digit wins (our defense WILL and IS better than last year's, as well, despite us getting soundly whooped by Rodgers.. not many teams can handle him and all of his weapons, especially not with our amount of turn overs). However, I doubt Warner makes it all the way through the season, and while I definitely do still think Leinart can lead us into the future, losing Warner will likely result in us running the ball more. Running the ball more = less points scored = less wins. The Seahawks are good, their season last year was an aberration due to injuries, but it seems like the injury bug's biting again. Walter Jones and Marcus Trufant are both out already, and if they lose anymore they might just lose the division. The 49ers are being slept on too much, and it really wouldn't surprise me if they end up with the division (especially if I'm wrong about the Cardinals D, Warner DOES go down, and the Seahawks once again get decimated). Afterall, they were only one goal line push away from beating the Cards last year (and going .500). They're better, they seem to be buying into Singletary, and they'll catch people off guard. The Rams, much like the Lions, are headed in the right direction, but simply are not there yet with regards to their talent.

And I just pulled these numbers out of my ass, so I doubt they'll add up perfectly or whatever. Still, there's mine.

[mystikz]

AFC EAST

1. Patriots (9-7)

2. Dolphins (9-7)

3. Jets (5-11)

4. Bills (4-12)

AFC NORTH

1. Steelers (12-4)

2. Ravens (9-7)

3. Bengals (7-9)

4. Browns (7-9)

AFC SOUTH

1. Colts (13-3)

2. Titans (10-6)

3. Texans (9-7)

4. Jaguars (4-12)

AFC WEST

1. Chargers (12-4)

2. Chiefs (6-10)

3. Broncos (3-13)

4. Raiders (3-13)

NFC EAST

1. Cowboys (11-5)

2. Giants (10-6)

3. Eagles (8-8)

4. Redskins (4-12)

NFC NORTH

1. Packers (13-3)

2. Bears (9-7)

3. Vikings (7-9)

4. Lions (2-14)

NFC SOUTH

1. Saints (12-4)

2. Falcons (11-5)

3. Panthers (10-6)

4. Buccaneers (3-13)

NFC WEST

1. Seahawks (11-5)

2. Cardinals (9-7)

3. 49ers (8-8)

4. Rams (3-13)

[alldaws1]

AFC East

1. Patriots (13-3)

2. Dolphins (9-7)

3. Jets (8-8)

4. Bills (6-10)

AFC North

1. Steelers (14-2)

2. Ravens (10-6)

3. Bengals (6-10)

4. Browns (3-13)

AFC South

1. Titans (11-5)

2. Colts (10-6)

3. Texans (8-8)

4. Jaguars (5-11)

AFC West

1. Chargers (12-4)

2. Raiders (7-9)

3. Chiefs (6-10)

4. Broncos (4-12)

NFC East

1. Cowboys (11-5)

2. Eagles (10-6)

3. Giants (8-8)

4. Redskins (7-9)

NFC North

1. Vikings (11-5)

2. Bears (9-7)

3. Packers (8-8)

4. Lions (4-12)

NFC South

1. Saints (12-4)

2. Falcons (10-6)

3. Panthers (8-8)

4. Buccaneers (5-11)

NFC West

1. Seahawks (10-6)

2. Cardinals (10-6)

3. 49ers (7-9)

4. Rams (5-11)

Like Mysterio, these aren't accurate predictions, I didn't go through and predict every game so the numbers probably don't add up, this is just a guide as to how well I think teams will do.

I see the Giants falling more than most people seem to, they're going to need to rely too much on the run and while their defense is probably the best in the NFC East, I don't think they've sufficiently replaced the likes of Burress, Toomer and Ward on offense to be as good as they have the last couple of seasons.

[Mysterio2000X]

Like Mysterio, these aren't accurate predictions, I didn't go through and predict every game so the numbers probably don't add up, this is just a guide as to how well I think teams will do.

I see the Giants falling more than most people seem to, they're going to need to rely too much on the run and while their defense is probably the best in the NFC East, I don't think they've sufficiently replaced the likes of Burress, Toomer and Ward on offense to be as good as they have the last couple of seasons.

They have the best offensive line and one of the top 3 defenses in the game today. If Hakeem can develop anywhere near as close as he's expected to (and since he comes from a pro-style offense, that means within this season), they'll be nearly guaranteed the NFC bid. At the very least, their defensive line will make sure other teams don't score as much on them, and their running game will keep them chugging along nicely until Nicks emerges as the clear #1.

And Ward has already been replaced. Pretty effectively, too. Bradshaw's looking just as good as Ward last year, and will likely be just as productive, especially behind (once again) the best run-blocking o-line in the game.

[NobBe Nobbs]

That defense if their's is WAY too underrated,

No, it is not.

I've seen this same argument be used before, about Cincy having something like the 12th-best defense overall last year, and it's based off fallacious statistics. They were 12th-best overall last year in yardage allowed, yes, but 19th in points allowed, 24th in touchdowns allowed and gave up 22 field goals against 40 extra points, strongly implying that the only reason they gave up less yards than you'd expect is because they kept giving their opponents short fields to work with and so there simply weren't enough yards for them to gain.

And, while I'm on the subject, I have no idea where this bandwagon has sprung from but I see Cincinnati as 6-10 at best. I don't know why people are getting the impression they'll jump to 8-8, 9-7 or whatever, bearing in mind their first-round pick held out for almost all of the preseason, their best receiver left and they still don't seem to have a credible running game. I saw one guy describing Rey Maualuga as a "once-in-a-lifetime human wrecking machine" and I was left thinking "What are they putting in the Cincinnati water?"

[TheArsenal]

Like Mysterio, these aren't accurate predictions, I didn't go through and predict every game so the numbers probably don't add up, this is just a guide as to how well I think teams will do.

I see the Giants falling more than most people seem to, they're going to need to rely too much on the run and while their defense is probably the best in the NFC East, I don't think they've sufficiently replaced the likes of Burress, Toomer and Ward on offense to be as good as they have the last couple of seasons.

They have the best offensive line and one of the top 3 defenses in the game today. If Hakeem can develop anywhere near as close as he's expected to (and since he comes from a pro-style offense, that means within this season), they'll be nearly guaranteed the NFC bid. At the very least, their defensive line will make sure other teams don't score as much on them, and their running game will keep them chugging along nicely until Nicks emerges as the clear #1.

And Ward has already been replaced. Pretty effectively, too. Bradshaw's looking just as good as Ward last year, and will likely be just as productive, especially behind (once again) the best run-blocking o-line in the game.

I agree. Bradshaw has more than replaced Ward in the pre-season and I'm glad he's got a chance rather than someone else being brought in. He's averaging more yards per carry in the preseason than either Ware or Jacobs (both part of the Earth/Wind/Fire combo).

As for receivers, we don't have a "number one go-to guy" but Nicks has made some outstanding plays in preseason already. He's lead our receivers in the preseason made 9 receptions for nearly 300 yards and 3 TDs - and that's without playing a whole game. Manningham has also stepped up after being injured his rookie year and made some big plays. Sinorice Moss, Ramses Barden, Steve Smith and Domenik Hixon have all looked solid in preseason - so much so that it may mean Superbowl hero David Tyree ends up a victim of the cuts today. Our receivers have shown they are good route runners and good at getting into open space, and know how to find YAC.

So yeah, Giants don't have a number one go-to guy, but that means on 3rd and 7 teams can't just double or triple team Plax. Now they have to watch ever receiver we have - because nearly any of them can make a play. It could open up our pass play a lot more.

[Mysterio2000X]

That defense if their's is WAY too underrated,

No, it is not.

I've seen this same argument be used before, about Cincy having something like the 12th-best defense overall last year, and it's based off fallacious statistics. They were 12th-best overall last year in yardage allowed, yes, but 19th in points allowed, 24th in touchdowns allowed and gave up 22 field goals against 40 extra points, strongly implying that the only reason they gave up less yards than you'd expect is because they kept giving their opponents short fields to work with and so there simply weren't enough yards for them to gain.

And, while I'm on the subject, I have no idea where this bandwagon has sprung from but I see Cincinnati as 6-10 at best. I don't know why people are getting the impression they'll jump to 8-8, 9-7 or whatever, bearing in mind their first-round pick held out for almost all of the preseason, their best receiver left and they still don't seem to have a credible running game. I saw one guy describing Rey Maualuga as a "once-in-a-lifetime human wrecking machine" and I was left thinking "What are they putting in the Cincinnati water?"

The Bengals were still 10th last year in yards per play allowed (5.23 yards per play, better than teams such as the Giants, Panthers, Jets, Chargers, Patriots and Buccaneers), so no, I don't think their defensive performance was a result of short fields. The fact that they managed to produce as good as they did despite missing their #1 pick from last year for the majority of the season, as well as any sort of significant pass rush is pretty impressive. Given their acquisitions in this draft (Maualuga should and is ready to go from day one, Michael Johnson could be great as a limited, pass-rushing specialist role), the fact that Carson is back, the fact that Ocho Cinco's actually dedicated, I think the hype surrounding them is well deserved. Especially since they get the Browns twice, the AFC West, and the NFC North (Lions), I don't think an .500 or better season is completely out of question.

[alldaws1]

I agree. Bradshaw has more than replaced Ward in the pre-season and I'm glad he's got a chance rather than someone else being brought in. He's averaging more yards per carry in the preseason than either Ware or Jacobs (both part of the Earth/Wind/Fire combo).

As for receivers, we don't have a "number one go-to guy" but Nicks has made some outstanding plays in preseason already. He's lead our receivers in the preseason made 9 receptions for nearly 300 yards and 3 TDs - and that's without playing a whole game. Manningham has also stepped up after being injured his rookie year and made some big plays. Sinorice Moss, Ramses Barden, Steve Smith and Domenik Hixon have all looked solid in preseason - so much so that it may mean Superbowl hero David Tyree ends up a victim of the cuts today. Our receivers have shown they are good route runners and good at getting into open space, and know how to find YAC.

So yeah, Giants don't have a number one go-to guy, but that means on 3rd and 7 teams can't just double or triple team Plax. Now they have to watch ever receiver we have - because nearly any of them can make a play. It could open up our pass play a lot more.

Pre-season, pre-season, pre-season. Pre-season success does not guarantee regular season success. Most of those receivers you've mentioned have probably been playing mostly against back-ups and practice squad players. Oh, and David Tyree was a victim of cuts last year, one catch in the Super Bowl does not make him a great player.

There's no denying the Giants receivers are a downgrade from last season. They struggled without Burress last year and now they're missing Toomer as well. Unless Nicks is absolutely tremendous and someone else of that mediocre crop breaks out I think they will struggle to beat teams that can air it out effectively and they face quite a few of those this season like Dallas (x2), Philly (x2), New Orleans, Arizona, San Diego and Atlanta.

[Lowerdeck]

EDIT: In a fantasy draft right now. Just saw the Giants defense go third round, then Percy Harvin in the fourth, and Dustin Keller in the fifth - by the same team. Also saw Clinton Portis go third overall, with Ronnie Brown in the second round.

AFC EAST

1. Patriots (11-5)

2. Dolphins (10-6)

3. Jets (6-10)

4. Bills (5-11)

AFC NORTH

1. Steelers (13-3)

2. Ravens (10-6)

3. Bengals (6-10)

4. Browns (3-13)

AFC SOUTH

1. Colts (13-3)

2. Titans (10-6)

3. Texans (9-7)

4. Jaguars (5-11)

AFC WEST

1. Chargers (11-5)

2. Chiefs (5-11)

3. Raiders (3-13)

4. Broncos (3-13)

NFC EAST

1. Giants (11-5)

2. Cowboys (10-6)

3. Eagles (9-7)

4. Redskins (7-9)

NFC NORTH

1. Packers (11-5)

2. Bears (9-7)

3. Vikings (7-9)

4. Lions (1-15)

NFC SOUTH

1. Falcons (12-4)

2. Saints (11-5)

3. Panthers (10-6)

4. Buccaneers (4-12)

NFC WEST

1. Cardinals (10-6)

2. Seahawks (9-7)

3. 49ers (7-9)

4. Rams (2-12)

Numbers probably don't match up with records.

Edited September 5, 2009 by Lowerdeck

[Mysterio2000X]

I agree. Bradshaw has more than replaced Ward in the pre-season and I'm glad he's got a chance rather than someone else being brought in. He's averaging more yards per carry in the preseason than either Ware or Jacobs (both part of the Earth/Wind/Fire combo).

As for receivers, we don't have a "number one go-to guy" but Nicks has made some outstanding plays in preseason already. He's lead our receivers in the preseason made 9 receptions for nearly 300 yards and 3 TDs - and that's without playing a whole game. Manningham has also stepped up after being injured his rookie year and made some big plays. Sinorice Moss, Ramses Barden, Steve Smith and Domenik Hixon have all looked solid in preseason - so much so that it may mean Superbowl hero David Tyree ends up a victim of the cuts today. Our receivers have shown they are good route runners and good at getting into open space, and know how to find YAC.

So yeah, Giants don't have a number one go-to guy, but that means on 3rd and 7 teams can't just double or triple team Plax. Now they have to watch ever receiver we have - because nearly any of them can make a play. It could open up our pass play a lot more.

Pre-season, pre-season, pre-season. Pre-season success does not guarantee regular season success. Most of those receivers you've mentioned have probably been playing mostly against back-ups and practice squad players. Oh, and David Tyree was a victim of cuts last year, one catch in the Super Bowl does not make him a great player.

There's no denying the Giants receivers are a downgrade from last season. They struggled without Burress last year and now they're missing Toomer as well. Unless Nicks is absolutely tremendous and someone else of that mediocre crop breaks out I think they will struggle to beat teams that can air it out effectively and they face quite a few of those this season like Dallas (x2), Philly (x2), New Orleans, Arizona, San Diego and Atlanta.

Dallas doesn't have much of a secondary to stop the Giants' receivers, regardless (or front seven to handle the running game, I say). Philly doesn't have much of an o-line to stop the Giants' pass-rush, limiting their potential to score. New Orleans won't be able to stop the run or, if Jammal Brown is still out, do much against the blind side rush. Arizona may not be able to stop the run, and unless Warner's back to 100%, our o-line deficiencies will get exploited against their pass rush, which once again limits the amount of points we can score. Ditto with San Diego (AZ scored 4 sacks on Rivers in under a quarter! 4! I'd hate to see what the Giants can do), and Atlanta has NO defense to speak of. They'll be fine.

Edited September 5, 2009 by Mysterio2000X

[alldaws1]

EDIT: In a fantasy draft right now. Just saw the Giants defense go third round, then Percy Harvin in the fourth, and Dustin Keller in the fifth - by the same team. Also saw Clinton Portis go third overall, with Ronnie Brown in the second round.

The NFL.com league I'm in had some odd choices as well. Only one RB in the first three picks, two QBs and two WRs going in the first round, Brees going 2nd overall and Randy Moss going 3rd. Steelers DST in the second round, too.

Dallas doesn't have much of a secondary to stop the Giants' receivers, regardless (or front seven to handle the running game, I say). Philly doesn't have much of an o-line to stop the Giants' pass-rush, limiting their potential to score. New Orleans won't be able to stop the run or, if Jammal Brown is still out, do much against the blind side rush. Arizona may not be able to stop the run, and unless Warner's back to 100%, our o-line deficiencies will get exploited against their pass rush, which once again limits the amount of points we can score. Ditto with San Diego (AZ scored 4 sacks on Rivers in under a quarter! 4! I'd hate to see what the Giants can do), and Atlanta has NO defense to speak of. They'll be fine.

Dallas doesn't need much of a secondary to stop the Giants' mediocre receiving corps. Philly have enough offensive weapons to do some damage against the weakest part of the Giants defense, the secondary. They all have a very good passing attack and unless the Giants can keep them all to under 14 points I think they will struggle to keep up.

And really, pre-season stats? Who gives a crap? It's pre-season.

[mystikz]

the bengals won't get much better without a run game. Cedric Benson? really? lol Seahawks look a lot better and should take the west easy, Arizona barely had it last year. I think The Packers will be the team to beat in the NFC, Aaron Rogers is ready for a huge year. Vikings I doubt will do better than 3rd, won't take long before Favre is throwing all his INT's again and blowing games.