Official NFL 2007 Thread

[Maxx]

I can see it. Roy Williams is a stud reciever already, there's no way Jerry wouldn't bring him in if he had the chance. I could see us using one of the 2 first rounders we have to bring him in, instead of jumping up to get McFadden. Of course I'll be estatic if either happens

[HailtotheYo]

Barber, Jones ..... why in hell would they jump up for McFadden ? Makes ZERO sense. Neither does going after Roy. TO is on the team, there won't be a WR on the team anywhere near his "caliber" or "ego" ... he's proven that.

[Maxx]

Hmm, lets see. Jerry Jones went to Arkansas, McFadden is a stud running back from Arkansas and is a HUGE upgrade over Julius Jones. Gee, perhaps he'd take him for the same reason the Pats were salivating over having the chance to get him? You can never have too much depth at running back, especially with how everyone is splitting carries now. Its been rumored forever that the Cowboys want to use their 2 first rounders to jump up and grab McFadden, so I wouldn't be so dismissive of it. They'd likely send the 2 first rounders, a 3rd next year and Julius Jones to Miami to make the leap, now does it make sense? Adding more credibility to it, Parcells drafted Jones and is always in favor of trading down and bringing in players he drafted. Miami isn't going to get the help they need with just one draft pick, it makes complete sense for them to move down, Jerry Jones, who's back to running the team, wants the best player in every draft, especially when its a stud from his Alma Mater. Make sense to you yet?

As for the Roy Williams thing, when has Jerry Jones ever let egos be a factor? He put Michael Irvin and Deion Sanders on the same team. Owens is getting older as is Glenn, who's had 2 major surguries on his knee this year. The Cowboys recieving corps is going to need a serious upgrade soon. Crayton is good but he's not #1 WR good. If they keep the picks, most experts are predicting them to take a WR with one of them, either Limas Sweed or Early Doucet. Wouldn't it make more sense to take a young, proven WR than draft one and risk them being a bust? Why yes, yes it would. It'd make even more sense if said young, proven WR is a Texas native and can force the Lions to sell low by saying he won't resign.

Thank you for bringing up completely moot points about TO though, I'm sure he'll be destroying the team any day now what with all the many explosions he's had this year. Oh wait, he's getting the money he wants, good behavior gets him even more, and Jerry is cottling him and treating him like the superstar he wants to be treated like. Anything else?

[HailtotheYo]

Wow, you have anger issues ? Or where you just beat as a kid ? Seriously. I guess having a discussion without having to display some form of "internet male dominace" just isn't possible for you is it ? It almost makes me want to ignore what you've said, but then again, simply because of the fact that you've tried to berate me for no reason ... I shall reply.

Hmm, lets see. Jerry Jones went to Arkansas, McFadden is a stud running back from Arkansas and is a HUGE upgrade over Julius Jones. Gee, perhaps he'd take him for the same reason the Pats were salivating over having the chance to get him?

Yeah, Jones went to Arkansas and McFadden went to Arkansas. Thank you for something everyone here in Texas already knows. No, it isn't the same situation for New England and Dallas in regards to McFadden. The Cowboys have TWO VERY GOOD RB's on the roster and don't need McFadden ... ESPECIALLY with Barber.

You can never have too much depth at running back, especially with how everyone is splitting carries now. Its been rumored forever that the Cowboys want to use their 2 first rounders to jump up and grab McFadden, so I wouldn't be so dismissive of it. They'd likely send the 2 first rounders, a 3rd next year and Julius Jones to Miami to make the leap, now does it make sense?

No, it doesn't make sense. These rumors must not be running rampant outside of ..... anywhere. I don't live THAT far from Dallas, and I've not heard anything about 2 first rounders to jump up. Yeah, depth at RB is great, but they have it already. With Thompson (a kid that went to High School in Irving mind you) as the third back, they've got plenty of depth. Is Thompson and all-star ? No, but he's more than enough as a third back.

Adding more credibility to it, Parcells drafted Jones and is always in favor of trading down and bringing in players he drafted. Miami isn't going to get the help they need with just one draft pick, it makes complete sense for them to move down, Jerry Jones, who's back to running the team, wants the best player in every draft, especially when its a stud from his Alma Mater. Make sense to you yet?

No, because even though Parcells does like to trade down and improve in that manner, he needs a quarterback. Miami doesn't have one. Bill and the Dolphins need the best available QB in this draft. They also need a LB .. someone on the OL ... actually they need everything. Trading down doesn't make all that much sense this time around. Yes, they'll get two first rounders, but they need THEIR first rounder ... especially with it being #1.

As for the Roy Williams thing, when has Jerry Jones ever let egos be a factor? He put Michael Irvin and Deion Sanders on the same team. Owens is getting older as is Glenn, who's had 2 major surguries on his knee this year. The Cowboys recieving corps is going to need a serious upgrade soon. Crayton is good but he's not #1 WR good. If they keep the picks, most experts are predicting them to take a WR with one of them, either Limas Sweed or Early Doucet. Wouldn't it make more sense to take a young, proven WR than draft one and risk them being a bust? Why yes, yes it would. It'd make even more sense if said young, proven WR is a Texas native and can force the Lions to sell low by saying he won't resign.

Um, let's see. Does the whole situation with Jimmy J ring a bell or do you just not think that was ego ? Irvin and Deion played on opposite sides of the ball genius. Owens is getting older ... and also playing the best ball of his career arguably. Crayton doesn't have to be #1 good, he's not the #1, TO is. No, it wouldn't make more sense to take a proven - injury prone WR from Texas when you can draft a younger, healthier one from Texas and not have to pay him quite as much. Besides, Roy hasn't exactly been all THAT wonderful, and really hasn't shown to be the #7 man in the draft as he was. It would make more sense to take a younger, bigger version.

Thank you for bringing up completely moot points about TO though, I'm sure he'll be destroying the team any day now what with all the many explosions he's had this year. Oh wait, he's getting the money he wants, good behavior gets him even more, and Jerry is cottling him and treating him like the superstar he wants to be treated like. Anything else?

Wow, it's called track record. Do you play ignorant, or are you just blissfully so ? TO has had issues everywhere he's been. That's just how he is. Of course he's all smiles and all for the team right now. If you had the owner of the club fellating you while you were 13-2 and making millions you'd be all smiles too. Now, bring in a Roy Williams .... don't up his pay like he feels it should be, lose a few ... don't be THE profile player on the team, and have Jerry concentrate on something other than you for a moment ... yeah, TO will change. He's done it more than once before. Until he's been with the Cowboys for several years without ANY of the old TO, I'm not buying him as changed. Sure, when you pamper a bitch like they want, they're good. Just don't tell them you're out of diamonds. I feel sorry for you that you think that TO during a 13-2 season is the real TO. I guess it really is blissfully so for you.

[Maxx]

By the time this Cowboys team can't rattle off a 10 win season, TO will be ready to retire, so his past issues aren't ever going to matter. As for me being ignorant, I suppose mentioning TO's passed issues ( Thats what I was refering to as a "moot point") and then explaining why they don't matter, is just me being ignorant of them entirely. Yep, I've just got no recollection of his past, as made blately obvious by my last post. His contract is already set up to reward him based on how well he plays and last I checked Jerry Jones has never had a problem reworking contracts for his star players.

Of course you seem to be under the impression that TO's never going to retire, as you apparently see no reason for the Cowboys to upgrade at WR, where their two starters are over the age of 32. Roy Williams can be a play maker, he's proven this, he just needs a better QB than Joey Harrington or Jon Kitna throwing him the ball. I'm not hugely behind going out and getting him, but I wouldn't be complaining if the Cowboys did. Besides drafting WRs in the late first down hasn't been working out at all, I can't count how many of them are buried on depth charts or not even playing.

Thank you for bringing up Tyson Thompson, why he's so great he hasn't even been active the last 8 weeks. Perhaps you'll think they need more running back depth when Thompson gets released, which is bound to happen, considering he can't even cut it as a kick returner. So do answer your question,no Tyson Thompson isn't an all-star, he's not even good enough to be a 3rd running back.

Now, whats better to have: Julius Jones and Marion Barber, or Darren McFadden and Marion Barber? Consider Marion's awesome all contact running style, I'd say the latter. As great as Marion is, with his running style his career isn't going to be very long. The guy loves contact, thats going to wear him down. Thats why it'll be great to be able to give the ball to Darren McFadden and let him carry some of the load. Julius Jones is a servicable back, but he's not going to get any better than he is now, and currently he's not producing enough at all, thats plain to see. Vikings had Chester Taylor, big bruising back who had a 1000 yard season, then turned around and drafted Adrian Petersen to compliment him. Thats worked out pretty well hasn't it. Thats the kind of effectiveness the Cowboys could be looking at with a Barber/McFadden backfield. Add to this, Julius Jones is in the final year of his contract, and I'm willing to be he asks for more money than Jerry is willing to pay him. Hmm, with your strategy of the Cowboys standing pat at RB, they're down to just Marion Barber. Good call.

Dolphins need EVERYTHING. Parcells isn't going to blow the #1 overall on a QB, especially with this class. Matt Ryan and Brian Brohm are far from sure things, no better than what will come out next year. And even if they did go with a QB, which they won't considering they drafted John Beck in the second round last year, they can just use a later pick and take Brennan, Woodson, Flacco or even Dixon later. Don't even say John Beck hasn't worked out, Miami is horrendous and any rookie QB they stick in there will do just as good as Beck did. Dolphins will bring in a vetern, cause that umm oh right, makes sense! I'm sure flooding the team with rookie quarterbacks and ignoring opportunites to upgrade the team in multiple ways is going to be just thing to help the Dolphins start racking up the wins.

The only player the Dolphins would take #1 overall is Glen Dorsey, as he can contribute immediately. However, bringing him in won't help the many many problems the Dolphins have, no they'll need more picks to do that. What gets them more picks? Why trading with the Dallas Cowboys, who's owner is salivating over Darren McFadden and have multiple first rounders to give up.

Haven't heard the McFadden rumors hmm? Thats pretty amazing.

Considering they've been around since april, right after the last draft

Not just there but on McFadden fan sites

And on October 30

It was reported again on December 15th, this time with added speculation courtesy of ESPN Insider

And I could keep going with these links, but it'd surely just be easier for you to google "Darren McFadden" "Dallas Cowboys" and see for yourself just how huge this rumor is, and has been. How you've missed it, being so close to Dallas and all, I have no idea.

And as for my anger issues, I'm sorry this is just how I talk to people who like you, come into threads and make 2 sentence posts trying to tear down solid arguements. Its "freaken awesome" like Lawrence Maroney. By the way, thanks for getting back to us on that subject. Are you happy that your staunch insistence that I basically made up the whole Cowboys jumping up to take McFadden has come back to make you look like a jackass? Or can you actually admit you're wrong and thats its been widely reported and talked about for months. Personally, I'd go with the second option.

[HailtotheYo]

By the time this Cowboys team can't rattle off a 10 win season, TO will be ready to retire, so his past issues aren't ever going to matter. As for me being ignorant, I suppose mentioning TO's passed issues ( Thats what I was refering to as a "moot point") and then explaining why they don't matter, is just me being ignorant of them entirely. Yep, I've just got no recollection of his past, as made blately obvious by my last post. His contract is already set up to reward him based on how well he plays and last I checked Jerry Jones has never had a problem reworking contracts for his star players.

This is just a matter of opinion, not FACT. You just feel that TO will be long gone before any of his issues will have reason to resurface. Hell, the man found a problem with the Eagles after going to the Super Bowl with them. Even with the Cowboys he's got issues. The whole suicide crap last year, and the Jessica Simpson crap this year. The whole point of those to incidinces are what I was making my point about. The spotlight HAS to shine on TO. To think that he'll retire before there's a shift on that spotlight, ESPECIALLY in Dallas .... you have to be ignorant to believe that. And please, stop trying to make this point about Jerry Jones. It isn't, it's about TO. And no, I don't think he's going to play forever ... but the man is in peak physical condition and playing accordingly ... he could easily play five more years.

you apparently see no reason for the Cowboys to upgrade at WR, where their two starters are over the age of 32. Roy Williams can be a play maker, he's proven this, he just needs a better QB than Joey Harrington or Jon Kitna throwing him the ball. I'm not hugely behind going out and getting him, but I wouldn't be complaining if the Cowboys did. Besides drafting WRs in the late first down hasn't been working out at all, I can't count how many of them are buried on depth charts or not even playing.

Thank you for bringing up Tyson Thompson, why he's so great he hasn't even been active the last 8 weeks. Perhaps you'll think they need more running back depth when Thompson gets released, which is bound to happen, considering he can't even cut it as a kick returner. So do answer your question,no Tyson Thompson isn't an all-star, he's not even good enough to be a 3rd running back.

You see, this is called being set up. Which, you took the bait wonderfully. Yes, Thompson has been inactive for the last 8 weeks. Um, and how many games has Terry Glenn played this year ? But, you say he's a starter ... I mean, it says so on the depth chart. Uh, NO. He hasn't played at all this year but thanks for bringing him up and trying to thrust him in the argument. You see, Crayton doesn't have to be a #1 guy .... between the catches that Witten and Owens get, they only need a 'good' third guy. That's what Crayton is. Hurd can easily take Crayton's spot and is only 22. With guys like Sweed and Manningham in the draft this year it's worth taking a shot in the draft. And there are guys from every position that are drafted in the late first round at every position that are buried or aren't playing ... it isn't just WR.

Now, whats better to have: Julius Jones and Marion Barber, or Darren McFadden and Marion Barber? Consider Marion's awesome all contact running style, I'd say the latter. As great as Marion is, with his running style his career isn't going to be very long. The guy loves contact, thats going to wear him down. Thats why it'll be great to be able to give the ball to Darren McFadden and let him carry some of the load. Julius Jones is a servicable back, but he's not going to get any better than he is now, and currently he's not producing enough at all, thats plain to see. Vikings had Chester Taylor, big bruising back who had a 1000 yard season, then turned around and drafted Adrian Petersen to compliment him. Thats worked out pretty well hasn't it. Thats the kind of effectiveness the Cowboys could be looking at with a Barber/McFadden backfield. Add to this, Julius Jones is in the final year of his contract, and I'm willing to be he asks for more money than Jerry is willing to pay him. Hmm, with your strategy of the Cowboys standing pat at RB, they're down to just Marion Barber. Good call.

See opinion again, and that's fine. But, I say (without getting into what McFadden COULD do) it's better to have two guys that have PROVEN themselves in the league rather than getting someone in the draft. I mean, that's EXACTLY what you said in regards to getting Williams from Detroit rather than draft a WR ... isn't it ? I'll wait while you check .... and you're back and YEAH, that's what you said. So why is it different here ? Because it fits your argument ? That's funny. Please, spare me the crap about 'dynamic player' and 'chance at a guy like McFadden is rare' that you want to respond with ... I already know and that's not the point. You being a blatant hypocrite to try and make your opinions seem 'better' than someone else's. Besides, as I already said ... the Cowboys have a #1 back (and as you yourself said) a servicable #2 in Jones. So in getting McFadden, you REALLY THINK that Barber will stick around ? Wow, that's some wishful thinking. Then you'll be left with just McFadden .... good call.

Dolphins need EVERYTHING. Parcells isn't going to blow the #1 overall on a QB, especially with this class. Matt Ryan and Brian Brohm are far from sure things, no better than what will come out next year. And even if they did go with a QB, which they won't considering they drafted John Beck in the second round last year, they can just use a later pick and take Brennan, Woodson, Flacco or even Dixon later. Don't even say John Beck hasn't worked out, Miami is horrendous and any rookie QB they stick in there will do just as good as Beck did. Dolphins will bring in a vetern, cause that umm oh right, makes sense! I'm sure flooding the team with rookie quarterbacks and ignoring opportunites to upgrade the team in multiple ways is going to be just thing to help the Dolphins start racking up the wins.

Yes, the Dolphins do need everything, I mentioned that but thanks for the refresher. I'm really not understanding why Bill won't go with a QB from 'this class' ... I know the people in Miami wouldn't mind .... here's a quote from the PalmBeachPost.com " The Dolphins just drafted John Beck, but "is Parcells going to have the guts to pass on Brian Brohm or a Matt Ryan or an Andre Woodson?" ... This class has the 'prototype' NFL QB's all over it and Parcells has used a #1 pick to take a QB before (Bledsoe ring a bell ?). Considering that move, he just might like his luck in that regard. They can't afford to roll the dice on Woodson or Brohm being around 'later.' And please .... you went from trying to show who NOT to take a shot in the draft to trying to justify 'just using a later pick' on guys like Brennan or Dixon ? WOW. Yeah, waste that pick on a guy that just blew out his knee. Good call. Besides, the Dolphins can afford (literally) to keep that number one pick because they're going to have close to 30m in cap room to sign guys that can immediately make them better. They've also got the extra pick from SD thanks to the Chambers trade.

The only player the Dolphins would take #1 overall is Glen Dorsey, as he can contribute immediately. However, bringing him in won't help the many many problems the Dolphins have, no they'll need more picks to do that. What gets them more picks? Why trading with the Dallas Cowboys, who's owner is salivating over Darren McFadden and have multiple first rounders to give up.

Or, they could take Dorsey (Bill loves using early picks on D) and then use the multitude of cap room they'll have to sign another piece of that puzzle. Nothing they do will fix the many problems they have, but they can start ... with the #1 pick in the draft.

Haven't heard the McFadden rumors hmm? Thats pretty amazing.

Hey, I do what I can. But wait, you're telling me that an owner of an NFL team made a tounge in cheek comment about the most dynamic player in the next draft ? Holy shit, that's ground breaking news. That never happens. Sorry that I don't visit fan sites of specific players. So no, I wouldn't see that. And on that site I've never heard of, I think it's funny that they mention a very good arguement for McFadden to Dalls .... right after pointing out that they "had better draft some cornerbacks early and often in the 2008 draft." Wow, getting rid of those two first rounders will certainly help them shore up the Uber thin secondary won't it !

Yes, the rumors are out there. You're right. Congrats. I'll be sure to begin visiting sight such as nfldraftdog and personal sights of players as well as fan sites so that I won't miss this kind of thing in the future.

And as for my anger issues, I'm sorry this is just how I talk to people who like you, come into threads and make 2 sentence posts trying to tear down solid arguements. Its "freaken awesome" like Lawrence Maroney. By the way, thanks for getting back to us on that subject. Are you happy that your staunch insistence that I basically made up the whole Cowboys jumping up to take McFadden has come back to make you look like a jackass? Or can you actually admit you're wrong and thats its been widely reported and talked about for months. Personally, I'd go with the second option.

Personally ... well I can't say that. But that solid argument you're talking about, with Maroney ... yeat it consisted of this

Its against the Dolphins, I wouldn't get too attached those kinds of games from him

THAT is what I replied to. Wow, great solid argument. Aside from that I haven't made these "two sentence posts" that you're talking about. So you fly off the handle for absolutely no reason and make yourself look like a jackass. Are you glad that someone around here can have a differing opinion and debate something, or are you insecure and feel that you need to try and internet bully because someone doesn't agree wholeheartedly with what you think is right ? Personally, I'd go with the first option if I were you ... but hey, we have different opinions, clearly.

[NobBe Nobbs]

You see, this is called being set up. Which, you took the bait wonderfully.

[Maxx]

Do you get dizzy talking in circles Hail?

I'm not even going to waste my time posting long explanations anymore, you're too thick headed to understand them.

Some bullet points for you, hopefully they'll go straight into your brain.

-Wonderful trap with Tyson Thompson, yeah you really got me there. Terry Glenn's a starter when he's healthy, hasn't started any games this year cause he's injured. Tyson Thompson IS healthy, hasn't started the last 8 games cause he's useless. You get this trap from ACME? Trap, ha. You made a retarded arguement and you bailed on it, trying to make it look like you outsmarted me, by taking things in a completely different direction, looks like it's worked wonders and everyone totally buys it And where the fuck did I throw Terry Glenn into the Tyson Thompson sucks arguement. Were you born retarded, or did you get dropped on your head?

-Lets see, you want the Cowboys to take a rookie WR, instead of someone thats proven. But you don't want them to take a rookie RB, you want them to keep ones that are proven. (By the way, Julius Jones has only proven he's average at best) And here's where I can quote you from a few posts ago saying that the Lions should grab Derek Anderson instead of another rookie, cause he's proven. Perhaps you should make up your mind about this whole rookie vs proven starter thing.

-Yes, I really think Barber will stick around, how many teams start just one running back anymore? Everyone splits carries, and as good as Barber is, no team will use him as a feature back. He'll split carries wherever he goes, so there'd be no reason for him to leave Dallas. There will be plenty of reason for Julius Jones to leave Dallas, as I'm sure he thinks he can still be a starter somewhere, and will probably demand much more than Jerry Jones will want to pay him.

-Yes the Dolphins have $30 million in cap space, and free agencys just clamor to sign with horrible teams. That must be why the Lions are so good. No QB is going to help the Dolphins, Parcells is smart enough to know that and I'd like to think you are too. Do you really plugging Matt Ryan into the Dolphins' offense is going to produce anything? He'll go the route of David Carr and be useless by the time the rest of the team improves. The Dolphins are going to be bad for a few years, they can hold off on taking a QB now.

-As for my Maroney arguement, perhaps I was refering to this?

If he's the amazing back you describe him as, he'd get touches in the red zone because he could score in the red zone. You're crazy if you think Belichick wants to have to throw inside the redzone almost every time. No matter how spectacular your offense is, once your in the redzone, you want to avoid passing because you have a much shorter field for your recievers to work with. Thats a fact. I don't care what recievers you have, if you can run it and score in the redzone, you're going to do that as there's less of a chance of a turn over. So why don't the Pats, who never, ever been one dimensional on offense avoid running in the red zone? Must not have the same faith in Maroney as you do.

Compare Maroney with Marion Barber, the better back to come out of Minnesota, and you can see Maroney shys away from contact much more. Everyone says it, Maroney himself even mentioned he'd rather avoid contact and run to the outside than pound it up the middle.

Belichick is NEVER one dimensional offensively unless he has to be, so something is up. After all, the Vikings had Cris Carter and Randy Moss, Colts had Marvin Harrsion and Reggie Wayne, Rams had Torry Holt and Issac Bruce, they all found time to run the ball and do it effectively. Its debatable whether or not the Pats passing attack is better than any of those, their coach certainly is better than those teams, and still those teams found time to run the ball, and do it effectively because tehy had backs that they trusted.

I'll give you Maroney didn't get as much playing time this year because of his injury, but of the games he did play in, how many actually looked like he was? He put up about 5 stinkers this year. You've got no explanation besides "OMG PATS ONLY PASS" for why Maroney gets so few touches. He got 6 against Miami the first time, only 16 in the shalacking of the Redskins. He doesn't even get touches in garbage time! There's more that than the Pats just choosing not to pass.

I figured Maroney would put of the kind of numbers Barber is putting up this year, as I was sure he'd be a redzone threat. He's not. If he were, he'd get touches down there. Pats have the recievers that can stretch the field and keep safeties back, and a very good O-line, that should be a recipie for success for Maroney, and its not. Why do you think they almost lost to Philly and Baltimore? Because they locked down the passing attack, forcing the Pats to run more, and found it quite easy to snub Maroney.

His average is inflated as his best numbers come against terrible defenses. He was next to useless against the Steelers and Ravens, and barely effective against the Eagles. Those games had horrible passing conditions and they still only let Maroney carry it a total of 29 times in those 3 games. Clearly Belichick and crew don't have the same resounding confidence in Maroney that you do.

We'll see how effective he is in the playoffs, or if his recent string of good games is due to incredibly inferior opponents.

[alldaws1]

Don't you just love arguments in the NFL thread? Awesome.

[GhostMachine]

Don't you just love arguments in the NFL thread? Awesome.

Edited December 26, 2007 by GhostMachine

[LL!]

Like Maxx said, the Dolphins won't be great for at least a few seasons. This season was a sub-par effort, but if they can get some good draft picks (that aren't a fucking QB, yeah a guy from Miami is saying that the Dolphins shouldn't draft a QB) they can get on track to being a team with more wins than losses at least.

[NobBe Nobbs]

Don't you just love arguments in the NFL thread? Awesome.

Having an argument on the internet is like entering the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

[Trey]

I'm all for people "arguing" over the internet, of course people will have disagreements and a good debate between two is always good, you guys are just going way overboard.

Personally, I'm agreeing with Maxx as usual. The rumors are flying around and have been about McFadden and if they can do that trade, I see no reason they won't. Depending on how Terry Glenn recovers, I can also see them bringing Roy Williams in as a WR to compliment T.O. I don't see the Cowboys winning it all this year, and if you trade to get McFadden and talk to T.O about bringing Williams in to put them over the top, I see no reason T.O wouldn't at least be able to handle Williams coming in. That gives them Barber/McFadden as a RB team, Owens/Williams/Glenn/Crayton as WR's, and Witten as a tight end.

As for the Dolphins, they obviously thought that Beck was the real deal, otherwise they wouldn't have drafted him. Why not trade down, pick up some pieces they really, really need and then if Beck doesn't work out, they'll still be in a very good position to pick up a QB next year when there will probably be a better top-end to the QB class, as this years is solid but nothing great at the very top.

[gunnar hendershow]

Like Maxx said, the Dolphins won't be great for at least a few seasons. This season was a sub-par effort, but if they can get some good draft picks (that aren't a fucking QB, yeah a guy from Miami is saying that the Dolphins shouldn't draft a QB) they can get on track to being a team with more wins than losses at least.

It's better to get the QB targets before you draft him.

[LL!]

In the Dolphins case, they don't believe in that at all as they gave their only reliable target in Chris Chambers away.

[NobBe Nobbs]

In the Dolphins case, they don't believe in that at all as they gave their only reliable target in Chris Chambers away.

[Lowerdeck]

Giants vs. Patriots to be on NFL Network and now *both* CBS and NBC. Plus Ch. 9 in NYC, Ch. 5 in Boston, and Ch. 9 in New Hampshire.

Who the fuck cares about the NFL Network anyway? Eight games a year, big damn whoop. Kill it.

[HailtotheYo]

Who the fuck cares about the NFL Network anyway?

Jerry Jones, because it's more money for him.

Of all the things that suck about Time Warner Cable, they did get this one right.

[Mick]

Giants vs. Patriots to be on NFL Network and now *both* CBS and NBC. Plus Ch. 9 in NYC, Ch. 5 in Boston, and Ch. 9 in New Hampshire.

Who the fuck cares about the NFL Network anyway? Eight games a year, big damn whoop. Kill it.

Yeah, unless you want to see it (Dallas/Green Bay, anyone?)

[HailtotheYo]

so then you've actually got an excuse to go to the sports bar .... damn