The Mafia Discussion Thread

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We had a list for all of five minutes, then we realised it didn't work, and started going "Hey guys, I'm running this tomorrow, any objections? No? K. Signups in Seventh Side, go :@"

I feel this system works.

The list worked when Zan was doing it and we all took it seriously, but we should be able to trust people to roughly know what's going on at any one time without resorting to Nazi modding. Neil throws doubt on this though.

[TEOL]

Why complain that Neil 'jumped the queue'? There is no queue.

[Steeb]

Sometime in the beginning/middle of October, I would like to run Music Mafia, if there's no objections.

[Ruki]

It's because he sucks.

[FireDoughnut]

There is no queue?

...

What?

Then why did I take a number?

[TheRossWalker]

Hazing.

Also, the game will never work if it's set up as it appears to be.

EDIT: Where the hell did those three other replies come from?

Edited September 22, 2008 by TheRossWalker

[C-MIL]

In that case, I'm starting sign-ups later tonight.

[TEOL]

See, this is why I hate you all.

I'm not saying the game won't suck or anything - it will, assuredly - but using 'because we say so' as the rule and being smug about it is pathetic.

Edited September 22, 2008 by The Evil Overlord

[FireDoughnut]

So.... TV Mafia is going to need 45 sign-ups?

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Why complain that Neil 'jumped the queue'? There is no queue.

Because we have to have a queue or a limit if people are going to decide to run a game when there are seven already running. If people have no fucking common sense then there has to be something to make it obvious what can and can't be done.

[TEOL]

If we have to have one, then let's make one. This seems much more logical than pretending one already exists.

[Sousa]

Frankly, as slow as many of the current games have been, I'd rather not see another game going just yet. Avengers and A Dozen Pissed-Off Honkies both come in fits and starts, so I say we hold up on getting something else going just yet.

[C-MIL]

If you don't want to play in Neil's game, don't sign up. Simple as that. If it means he doesn't get enough sign-ups, the game dies in utero and problem solved. If not, then it runs and people not supporting it can happily ignore while those that want to play can play.

[-A-]

That's what this is proof of. People before were complaining because we were trusting people who run games to have a general idea of what games are upcoming and how many games you can sensibly run at time. We weren't saying 'you haven't consulted the almighty LIST,' we were saying that there are several people who have already said that they want to run games when others finish.

[TEOL]

I like C-MIL's solution. Rather than trusting game mods to know when there are too many games to run, trust players to know how many games they can play in at a time.

[Guest Mr. Potato Head]

But then what happens is that people get fewer sign-ups for good games because they're in all the crappy ones.

[Josh]

Basically, it comes down to this (for me): if one person doesn't have to wait, why are we making others (like FD or C-MIL) wait?

Perhaps this all just comes down to confusion, but I'd like to know where things stand, one way or another. I've got nothing against Neil at all, and was merely trying to be helpful, even if I failed. I hope the game goes well.

Back on point, whatever keeps mafia as a general concept thriving on EWB is what I'm all for.

EDIT: On an unrelated note, why does EWB seem to be unavailable for at least a half hour at a time, seemingly every day? That's gettin' old.

Edited September 22, 2008 by Josh-oo-wuh

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If you don't want to play in Neil's game, don't sign up. Simple as that. If it means he doesn't get enough sign-ups, the game dies in utero and problem solved. If not, then it runs and people not supporting it can happily ignore while those that want to play can play.

Yes, but there's a limited pool of players who take part in this game and even if it's only 10-15 people that sign up for a game it means that other games will get less activity and be more confusing. Some people (not me) who've put a lot of work into their games want to make sure that their games get done properly and don't die because the attention of players is divided between 8 simultaneous games. Even when there are 5 going at once it means that all of the games suffer because you can get confused between what happened in one game and another. The balance is that we need to have a few games going on so that people who miss out on one or two, or die early, can still have some mafia goodness.

There's no point even making this an issue of Law because there isn't a full-time mod here. There are a lot of of people who run games and want to abide by the 'roughly 5 at a time' rule so that all the games have a good chance of staying active and being done justice. If a lot of people are voluntarily choosing to follow this pattern and have to wait to run their game then it's frustrating that someone opens sign-ups without bothering to read that others have decided to wait.

We all, players and game mods, agreed that roughly 5 games at a time was the best for everyone. It's not a dictatorship by a minority of people waiting to run a game, it's a rule of thumb for what's best for the Cube.

[C-MIL]

Instead of creating some arbitrary number of games the Game Cube can sustain at one time, why not let people decide that for themselves? I'm in four currently. That's about my limit, but who's to say somebody else can't take on more?

I still say if the people "humoring" Neil wouldn't do so, the problem solves itself. Sure, the neighborly thing to do would've been to post in here and gauge interest for his idea, but whatever.

[TEOL]

But then what happens is that people get fewer sign-ups for good games because they're in all the crappy ones.

And they call me elitist.