Summer Transfer Window 2024

[Adam]

Absolutely, and why not really considering the state of the rules.

[gunnar hendershow]

I've been waiting for the clubs to basically start with the American leagues approaches of helping each other out with the numbers.

[Colly]

This feels right.

 

 

[stokeriño]

With Chelsea now apparently buying Kellyman, it seems increasingly clear that they and Villa are doing some mutually-agreed PSR trickery.

When the system says two clubs keeping their respective academy players gives no bonuses, but each selling a player to the other for (for example) £20m each allows them to record an immediate £20m lump sum of income and only a fraction (say £4m/yr on a 5 year contract) as outgoings, this is the nonsense that gets incentivised.

[Moses Julep]

Man I’d love Jonathan David at Spurs. Hope those rumors are true.

[METALMAN]

Not my favourite belle and Sebastian song

[Lineker]

3 hours ago, stokeriño said:

With Chelsea now apparently buying Kellyman, it seems increasingly clear that they and Villa are doing some mutually-agreed PSR trickery.

When the system says two clubs keeping their respective academy players gives no bonuses, but each selling a player to the other for (for example) £20m each allows them to record an immediate £20m lump sum of income and only a fraction (say £4m/yr on a 5 year contract) as outgoings, this is the nonsense that gets incentivised.

Literally had to Google who he was. I feel like Danny Rose.

[stokeriño]

Another one for the portfolio.

 

[FLiam]

Chelsea have also agreed a £20m fee with Aston Villa for Omari Kellyman.

That sounds like a lot.

[Hobo]

Everyone knows you don't pay (for) the Kellyman.

[Szumi]

Douglas Luiz is about officially done to Juve for Samuel Illing and Enzo Barrenechea plus €28m. Such a weird transfer, although technically they're separate transfers and Juve are paying €50m and Villa €22m to continue to fleece PSR limitations.

[Colly]

 

 

[Chris2K]

I don't see how this can be stopped without an independent outfit determining what is or isn't a suitable transfer fee, which will never happen.

[stokeriño]

It's the logical outcome of the bollocks rules they've setup. Few academy players, no matter how talented, can justify their worth on the pitch when it basically means sacrificing multi-millions on the balance sheets.

If two clubs (or whatever more convoluted number) sold each other a bunch of their academy players every year and bought the same 'value' of other academy players back, all they've done is opened up a new source of 'cash loans', borrowing from their future balance sheets via amortisation.

Given that I can't imagine quoted 'valuations' of players hold much weight under legal challenge (who decides Dobbin is 'worth' £2m and how?), the only choices would appear to be either free reign for the nonsense transfers that have already begun, or a massive new tribunal system to completely overwrite the transfer market (which in itself would fall apart the moment multiple clubs pursued the same player).

If they removed the PSR/FFP nonsense that incentivised all this in the first place, that would also solve it, but I can't see them doing that either.

(Radical option: make transfer fees illegal as a concept - or at least perhaps that they have to be representative of a player's remaining wages on his existing contract - and give players the same freedom to change clubs that those in other industries have.)

[Gazz]

Gonna get Gazz Jr. into a Premier League academy so he can one day fulfil the every young footballer's dream of being sold as a counterweight to five years worth of salary amortisation.

[Adam]

3 hours ago, Chris2K said:

I don't see how this can be stopped without an independent outfit determining what is or isn't a suitable transfer fee, which will never happen.

Very disingenuous tweet from a Man Utd fan by the way, just plucking valuations out of their backside.

[gunnar hendershow]

The whole thing with valuations hasn't made them most sense to me. Some clubs are always going to value a player more because of need and the selling club won't have to look far to know that they can probably get a bit more out of said club.

[Gazz]

A player's valuation is purely the point where the selling team and the buying team agree on a figure. Everything else is just Football Manager playing generation bollocks where every player has an assigned value.

Also, Kellyman was pretty much the star player in Villa's U21s, to suggest he was only worth one million is a nonsense. A million might buy you the star player of the U12s currently.

[Adam]

I was gonna say, Dobbin may not be a world-beater but £2m? EFL clubs are spending 5 million or more on players never to play a minute in the Premier League, and as Gazz points out it's more to do with the value on the two clubs involved in the deal. All things considered, £9m for one of our best academy products who has some PL experience seems fair.

[DavidMarrio]

This is all just classic blue cartel (and Newcastle) behaviour....

The figures of some are mad but its like Gazz said if a clubs willing to pay a certain price that's the value as daft as people may look at it. We should argue Kelleher is a 90mil goalkeeper

This was always going to happen, if there's a loophole teams are gonna take advantage until they can't.