TMM

What...the...what...I'm speachless...

If anyone who isn't Finland, UK or Romania win, this sucks...well, we know it does but ya get me.

EDIT: Actually, Ireland, I kinda liked it...

THIS SONG IS AWESOME!!!

I already like them...Terry Wogan described them as Orcs and Klingons...get's a thumbs up from me!

Is it bad that it sounded good until he started "singing"?

This...this song just started awfully and has gotten even worse...is that possible?

Which one is Dave?

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/7482/defoeoffer7uy.jpg

Should I take it? Even though Defoe is a big part of the squad, I have Mido who has been solid plus a few other good strikers coming up, and I mean...60,000,000 + thats a shit load.

Suggestions?

Pfft, it's in dollars. I thought it was £60m, when it's actually around £30m. Boo.

Hmm.

Chances those stats COULD go up in future? =/

Not determination as far as I know. Not sure about workrate and teamwork, the physical ones should do.

It's hardly a spoiler, it's already happened.

Really...? So it's not a fiction story? Darn...

I guess for this one it all comes down to the actual story of the people since we all know about the actual events in detail and pretty much saw them on TV so its got to be something.

Yeah, and it seems to be following just the two fire-fighters, which could be interesting, but it depends on how it's done and such.

I know this is probably an obvious question to answer, but are Nick Cage's and the other main guy in the trailer, are they based on real people? Just...be nice in answering...

Yes they are...

Ruin the ending why don't ya...

EDIT: Bastard...I came in before you edited...

I guess for this one it all comes down to the actual story of the people since we all know about the actual events in detail and pretty much saw them on TV so its got to be something.

Yeah, and it seems to be following just the two fire-fighters, which could be interesting, but it depends on how it's done and such.

I know this is probably an obvious question to answer, but are Nick Cage's and the other main guy in the trailer, are they based on real people? Just...be nice in answering...

The 2nd movie to focus on the events of 9/11 is coming out.

Just found out today, so yeah.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469641/

And the trailer came out yesterday, I think. Heres the link:

http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/wtc/large.html

Don't waste any time do they?

Meh, could be good, but it also could be really, really, bad. I dunno, I'll probably see it, but something in that trailer really puts me off.

I don't know how any Arsenal fan can't be bitter. If that happened to my team I'd certainly be pissed off. Especially when the referee came out the next day and said maybe he shouldn't have sent Lehmann off. It ruined the whole atmosphere of the game. Fuck him. Then again, it's not Barcelona's fault, they played well, took the two chances when they needed to take them and won.

As FI said, that's just the way football is. You can blame the ref and be bitter, but that's just what happens in football. You can't be bitter, you can just be disappointed and proud.

I kinda feel ripped off because of it. Ever since both us and Barca got to the final, everyone was talking about how it was gonna be such a great match, but then the referee ruins it. In the heat of the moment (see: hours) after the game, I was just pissed beyond belief, now it's had the chance to "sink in", I'm still pissed, but I see the referee's point off view. So yeah, next season, we winneth.

With your imaginary goal?

With our secret weapon...half-time lasagne...¬_¬

lol, i thought it was only Spurs that eat that.

I am a Blackburn fan and yes we do cheat to win, take the goal at Newcastle with the mike Tyson style punch.

Barcelona players are notoriously not clever (like Spurs ). Arsene Wenger would've gone into their dressing room at half-time with a chef's hat with some of the famous lasagne and they'd be none the wiser...

Why Eboue?

I think Micky Gray send it best to Fabregas at Ewood this year:-

"Get up you cheating, cheating cunt".

Haha, Blackburn fans talking about cheating...

....hahahah...

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Savage...Bellamy...

I left my point for people to work out.

God I hate you....

I felt the need to elaborate...I blame the referee

Why Eboue?

I think Micky Gray send it best to Fabregas at Ewood this year:-

"Get up you cheating, cheating cunt".

Haha, Blackburn fans talking about cheating...

....hahahah...

..

Savage...Bellamy...

Henry questions referee

Arsenal captain Thierry Henry was far from happy with the referee after Arsenal's UEFA Champions League final defeat to Barcelona.

After having Jens Lehmann sent off early in the first half, Arsenal went ahead through Sol Campbell.

But second half strikes from Samuel Eto'o and Juliano Belletti handed the Catalan giants victory.

Henry refused to blame match referee Terje Hauge for defeat, but he was less than pleased with his performance.

"I think we can be proud of ourselves and I don't want to start any arguments, but I don't know whether the referee had a Barcelona shirt on or something - in the first half they kicked me all over the place," he told Sky Sports.

"They are not used to the pace of The Premiership or maybe the desire, I thought they were harsh - I told the ref, 'If you don't want us to win it, just tell us from the start.'

"I don't think he cost us the final, you can't say that because we were one-nil up, and you know against a team like Barcelona - doing what we did for a very long time was more than difficult, but on the other side - next time I might learn how to dive maybe, they tried to kick me in my knee, from behind on my ankle but I am not a woman so I try and stay on my feet - but I always expect the ref to do his job, but today he didn't.

"At the end of the day they [barcelona] can be happy, but we have played at ten for the whole game."

Henry insists that Swedish legend Henrik Larsson changed the game as he had a hand in both Barca goals.

"People always talk about Ronaldinho, and everything but I didn't see him today - I saw Henrik Larsson," he said.

"Two times he came on - he changed the game, that is what killed the game - sometimes you talk about Ronaldinho and Eto'o and people like that, you need to talk about the proper footballer who made the difference and that was Henrik Larsson tonight because I didn't see no Ronaldinho or no Eto'o or a proper referee also."

The French international again refused to be drawn on his future.

"I said I didn't think about it, I will start to think about it tonight," he said.

"I am just upset about the match we did - I can't complain about Jens's sending off, I am sure if you look at the game again Puyol should have got a yellow card, so many times Marquez came from behind to take my ankle and he didn't get a yellow card and I am sure if you are playing against me with a yellow card it is not the same game anymore.

"But we can be proud of what we did, I am upset for the Arsenal fans who came - but at the end of the day we made ourselves proud and the English game proud and I am a just a bit strange, but you know that is how it is."

From Sky Sports.com, it's more or less what he said at full-time.

With your imaginary goal?

With our secret weapon...half-time lasagne...¬_¬

TMM, you do know about the amendment to the play-on rules now I take it? If a player commits a professional foul, and the referee allows play on from which the opponents score, he can still go back and send off the player who committed the professional foul.

The ref would have been well within his rights to allow the goal and send Lehmann off.

But why let the facts get in the way of a good story eh? Last week it was Spurs claiming they'd been robbed, and the rest of the country laughing at them, and now it's Arsenal's turn it seems.

Fact is, without a "dodgy" ref, Arsenal wouldn't have scored and would have lost anyway.

Pfft...we would've won! Won I tell thee!!! Won!!!

We shall have to agree to disagree then, because noe of of us is gonna budge on our points.

The main point I (and I think HGwannabe) is trying to make is that the referee shouldn't have have blown so early. Yes, either one of sending Lehmann off and giving the free-kick or playing on and giving the goal were right, the problem is that the referee didn't give the advantage, which they clearly had with a player through on goal. Whether the referee SAW him or not is irrelevent, let the ball go and if there's nobody there, an Arsenal player gets it or the Barca player misses, fine, pull the game back and send him off.

It's not up to Barcá whether they get the goal, it's up to the reff.

Yeah, but the point was that they believed the ref should have played on.

Thats all we are pointing out...the ref should have played on.

Fuck...its not like the other option would have got Arsenal anymore out of trouble...they'd have been 1-0 down. If that change in decision would have affected Arsenal in a positive way, than fair enough, but it wouldn't have.

Simply put, we SHOULD'VE been 1-0 down. In the long run we would've been better off with 11 vs. 11 and 1-0 down, but that's irrelevent because it should've been 1-0, and Lehmann, at the very worse, should've been booked.

It's not up to Barcá whether they get the goal, it's up to the reff.

Yes it is, and the referee made the wrong decision by blowing so early.

That's the time I meant.

I'm just saying how you're all changing the way you'd like rules to work when it bothers you.

At times like that, the referee blows at the infringement, it wasn't a yellow card offence, it was a red card offence. Most referee's don't hesitiate for a red card situation.

I do get what your saying, but it's the whole thing of inconsistant referees. I'm just harking back to the Liverpool/Chelsea game because it was, essentally the same thing; could've given a red or a goal, and on that day he played on and gave the goal. I'm pissed because the referee could've and should've let play go, but he didn't.

He was bad all night, decisions for both were awful. The free-kick that led to the goal was a dive by Eboue and Eto'o's goal was offside. My whole point here is the referee was atrocious.